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	<title>Comments on: Vebra Blocks globrix.com</title>
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		<title>By: snoop</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-666</link>
		<dc:creator>snoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion is interesting.
Many of the portals have made significant investment in marketing and rechnology to get the number of listings they have.
Why would you want to allow a scraper free access to your listings and eventualy build a business that competes with you useing your data?
Any portal owner allowing this without a formal and compensated arrangement is surely undermining their own business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion is interesting.<br />
Many of the portals have made significant investment in marketing and rechnology to get the number of listings they have.<br />
Why would you want to allow a scraper free access to your listings and eventualy build a business that competes with you useing your data?<br />
Any portal owner allowing this without a formal and compensated arrangement is surely undermining their own business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its just not true that there is no cost associated with uploading to the portals, over 50% of most software providers helpdesk calls are all to do with issues with portals.

I would point out that this is by no means just the new ones and the established players are equally as culpable in not having the best support teams.

But why should a software provider have to solve their issues without recompense, it simply hampers their own more important requirement of supporting the software they provide. 

By all means have a pop when its warranted but to simply claim that there&#039;s no work involved in these feeds is simplistic and naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just not true that there is no cost associated with uploading to the portals, over 50% of most software providers helpdesk calls are all to do with issues with portals.</p>
<p>I would point out that this is by no means just the new ones and the established players are equally as culpable in not having the best support teams.</p>
<p>But why should a software provider have to solve their issues without recompense, it simply hampers their own more important requirement of supporting the software they provide. </p>
<p>By all means have a pop when its warranted but to simply claim that there&#8217;s no work involved in these feeds is simplistic and naive.</p>
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		<title>By: globrix.com and Vebra Reach Agreement &#124; Property Portal Watch</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>globrix.com and Vebra Reach Agreement &#124; Property Portal Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read our earlier story on Vebra blocking the globrix.com crawler here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read our earlier story on Vebra blocking the globrix.com crawler here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: automated link manager</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>automated link manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;automated link manager...&lt;/strong&gt;

A great website should possess large volumes of traffic and links. You have to put in a little bit of effort to market your website if you want to reach out to people on the internet and make your site noticeable. It is not necessary to spend a lot of ...</description>
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<p>A great website should possess large volumes of traffic and links. You have to put in a little bit of effort to market your website if you want to reach out to people on the internet and make your site noticeable. It is not necessary to spend a lot of &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting discussion...

It&#039;s perfectly fair enough for a software provider to charge for feeding data to the portals.  As Jay points out above, there are real costs (when you get to high scale - which none of the free software providers have yet reached) and those costs need to be met.

That said there are different ways that these costs can be met.  Some of the free software providers (of which Charlie above, and we at www.homeflow.co.uk are examples), have chosen to provide the feeds to Globrix (and PropertyLive) for free.  Homeflow have done this in a bid to gain market share against more established estate agency software systems, not because we think it costs us nothing.  We swallow the costs - it&#039;s essentially just a marketing cost for our products.

The costs are however not huge - and certainly not at the level that some of the larger software vendors seek to charge their clients.  They&#039;re treating it as an opportunity to eek a bit more money out of the system for their businesses in what is an equally tough market for them.  If agents are having a tough time, just think how hard it is for the guys trying to sell to agents!

And that&#039;s what this argument is all about.

Vebra (or GMG) are watching the likes of Rightmove making stellar profits (hats off to them), and watching Globrix ripping through the market making waves in their bid to disrupt Rightmove, and they&#039;ve drawn their battle lines.  They&#039;re not the only ones.

The next few months are going to be very interesting, as Globrix and Vebra (and PropertyLive and other software vendors) start to engage in various largely under cover trade PR battles.

Anyone who wants to avoid the fight - give us a call!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussion&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s perfectly fair enough for a software provider to charge for feeding data to the portals.  As Jay points out above, there are real costs (when you get to high scale &#8211; which none of the free software providers have yet reached) and those costs need to be met.</p>
<p>That said there are different ways that these costs can be met.  Some of the free software providers (of which Charlie above, and we at <a href="http://www.homeflow.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeflow.co.uk</a> are examples), have chosen to provide the feeds to Globrix (and PropertyLive) for free.  Homeflow have done this in a bid to gain market share against more established estate agency software systems, not because we think it costs us nothing.  We swallow the costs &#8211; it&#8217;s essentially just a marketing cost for our products.</p>
<p>The costs are however not huge &#8211; and certainly not at the level that some of the larger software vendors seek to charge their clients.  They&#8217;re treating it as an opportunity to eek a bit more money out of the system for their businesses in what is an equally tough market for them.  If agents are having a tough time, just think how hard it is for the guys trying to sell to agents!</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what this argument is all about.</p>
<p>Vebra (or GMG) are watching the likes of Rightmove making stellar profits (hats off to them), and watching Globrix ripping through the market making waves in their bid to disrupt Rightmove, and they&#8217;ve drawn their battle lines.  They&#8217;re not the only ones.</p>
<p>The next few months are going to be very interesting, as Globrix and Vebra (and PropertyLive and other software vendors) start to engage in various largely under cover trade PR battles.</p>
<p>Anyone who wants to avoid the fight &#8211; give us a call!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Wright</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole point of the internet is free and easy access to and communication of data. Vebra&#039;s actions are tantamount to Chinese restrictions on internet use out of paranoia and self defence. What possible &quot;risk&quot; can there be to an agent having his properties displayed on a new free site which, many people seem to forget, actually directs ALL its visitors away from its site to the specific property details on the agents OWN site, where the information will be more accurate and up to date than on any &quot;portal&quot;. Globrix is a professional organisation backed by substantial resources. It is committing more money and resource to promoting itself to the public than thinkproperty.com or any other free site.

Vebra does not have its client&#039;s interests held first and foremost. It is a large scale market &quot;buy-up&quot;operation which has a reputation for ignoring its clients wishes.

Unless Vebra changes its outdated approach to business and ethics, its big bully tactics will not make it last forever and it will eventually start to wither and die, as all non-competitive organisations ultimately do.

I am all for healthy competition, but for Vebra to actually spend time and money restricting free leads to its clients websites is nothing short of outrageous profiteering.

Every penny Globrix is forced to pay Vebra is coming directly out of funds they could be spending promoting and developing the site.

As long as Globrix provides free traffic to agents websites, and continues to strive to improve its service, it deserves the number one spot in online property search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of the internet is free and easy access to and communication of data. Vebra&#8217;s actions are tantamount to Chinese restrictions on internet use out of paranoia and self defence. What possible &#8220;risk&#8221; can there be to an agent having his properties displayed on a new free site which, many people seem to forget, actually directs ALL its visitors away from its site to the specific property details on the agents OWN site, where the information will be more accurate and up to date than on any &#8220;portal&#8221;. Globrix is a professional organisation backed by substantial resources. It is committing more money and resource to promoting itself to the public than thinkproperty.com or any other free site.</p>
<p>Vebra does not have its client&#8217;s interests held first and foremost. It is a large scale market &#8220;buy-up&#8221;operation which has a reputation for ignoring its clients wishes.</p>
<p>Unless Vebra changes its outdated approach to business and ethics, its big bully tactics will not make it last forever and it will eventually start to wither and die, as all non-competitive organisations ultimately do.</p>
<p>I am all for healthy competition, but for Vebra to actually spend time and money restricting free leads to its clients websites is nothing short of outrageous profiteering.</p>
<p>Every penny Globrix is forced to pay Vebra is coming directly out of funds they could be spending promoting and developing the site.</p>
<p>As long as Globrix provides free traffic to agents websites, and continues to strive to improve its service, it deserves the number one spot in online property search.</p>
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		<title>By: interested observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>interested observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when someone walks through an agencies door, they welcome them with open arms without worrying about where  they have come from, why is the internet any different. If someone was going to send me quality business leads for nothing I&#039;d bit their hand off.  M - would be interesting to hear Vebras spin on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when someone walks through an agencies door, they welcome them with open arms without worrying about where  they have come from, why is the internet any different. If someone was going to send me quality business leads for nothing I&#8217;d bit their hand off.  M &#8211; would be interesting to hear Vebras spin on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mass scale data movement is an expensive business and having knowledge of most sectors i believe you will find it is standard practice to levy a charge.
It happens in the job marketplace with Conkers and Broadbean both owned by DMGT the parent of Findaproperty and PrimeLocation.  It also happens i believe in automotive with the Autotrader group.
Providing a reliable solution to portals much be a requirement in the same way as every other market otherwise the service would not exist.
I have used Vebra and a few other providers and none of them charged me for this service -  they all have arrangements with the portals direct so they say.   Scraping sound difficult and risky to me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mass scale data movement is an expensive business and having knowledge of most sectors i believe you will find it is standard practice to levy a charge.<br />
It happens in the job marketplace with Conkers and Broadbean both owned by DMGT the parent of Findaproperty and PrimeLocation.  It also happens i believe in automotive with the Autotrader group.<br />
Providing a reliable solution to portals much be a requirement in the same way as every other market otherwise the service would not exist.<br />
I have used Vebra and a few other providers and none of them charged me for this service &#8211;  they all have arrangements with the portals direct so they say.   Scraping sound difficult and risky to me</p>
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		<title>By: Property Owl</title>
		<link>http://www1.propertyportalwatch.com/2008/11/vebra-blocks-globrixcom/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Property Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, it costs nothing to upload property to portals.   This was one reason we came into the market, we couldn&#039;t see how management providers could justifiably charge for uploads, limit the amount of pictures uploaded, limit the portals they uploaded to etc.  For too long, too many have been ripping off the agent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, it costs nothing to upload property to portals.   This was one reason we came into the market, we couldn&#8217;t see how management providers could justifiably charge for uploads, limit the amount of pictures uploaded, limit the portals they uploaded to etc.  For too long, too many have been ripping off the agent.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure Globrix will be placing their own slant on this dispute.
I think there is a genuine concern which needs addressing over the mass scale  availability of uncontrolled data in the property market.
I am one of the agents who received a letter from Vebra explaining the issue and in fairness it does seem reasonable.
There are plenty of free sites and I would suggest the NAEA would be a very good alternative.
I for one, would be very unhappy seeing my properties spread far and wide without control and with scraping tools there is a real risk unless controlled</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Globrix will be placing their own slant on this dispute.<br />
I think there is a genuine concern which needs addressing over the mass scale  availability of uncontrolled data in the property market.<br />
I am one of the agents who received a letter from Vebra explaining the issue and in fairness it does seem reasonable.<br />
There are plenty of free sites and I would suggest the NAEA would be a very good alternative.<br />
I for one, would be very unhappy seeing my properties spread far and wide without control and with scraping tools there is a real risk unless controlled</p>
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